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He seems to be going out of his way to be critical only of statistical endeavors.<br /><br />He states there is an "arrogance and pomposity inherent with the new blood that's infecting the game has degenerated us into the current situation" without explaining what the "current situation" is. Assuming that the "current situation" is an overreliance on stats, please explain why this is bad?<br /><br />To me it seems that relying on factual data rather than nebulous concepts like "Player X is a winner" is the way I'd want to run a business. Just as I would not build a house without the aid of a level and a tape measure using all the available information before building a ball club seems wise.<br /><br />Mr. Lebowitz chooses instead to resort to name calling which does not exactly inspire confidence in the equity of his positions.Fragile Freddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16548516565701570833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1977384970015233286.post-49752823761713343942009-10-06T18:06:21.170-04:002009-10-06T18:06:21.170-04:00I think this is the part that answers the question...I think this is the part that answers the question, Mr. Joe:<br><br /><b>Not only do I use statistics, but I don't think any organization can effectively function without a group of stat zombies analyzing and crunching numbers. In today's game it would be idiotic to ignore the stats----old and new----that are popping up every day. My issue with stat-based analysis is not the endeavor in and of itself, but the way the adherence to the numbers, computer printouts and "optimal" usage for players has permeated the game and taken experience, knowledge (about players and people) away, ignoring and ridiculing those that look at other aspects because there's no "hard data" to quantify them. There's nothing wrong with statistical evidence as long as it's not used at the expense of other methods of building a team; methods that have just as much----and sometimes more----value. Sometimes a veteran scout's eye is a better judge of a player than said player's numbers. He might like the way a player moves; runs; throws; or even behaves----there's nothing wrong with that and it's worked before. The arrogance and pomposity inherent with the new blood that's infecting the game has degenerated us into the current situation. Warring factions within organizations unable to find common ground; people thinking that because they can read numbers from a sheet that they can tell an experienced and successful baseball man what to do and getting abusive when they're dismissed; using numbers as the end-all, be-all when flexibility and interpretive skill is required----all have created this battle between belief systems where they shouldn't be one.<br />This idea----that gained prominence in the farce that is Moneyball----that the Ivy League educated "geniuses" are going to reinvent a game that's impossible to quantify was absurd on the surface. No one is dismissing the importance of a high on base percentage; but it's not the final word in all things. Sometimes chances have to be taken that aren't cut and dried in the numbers. Have the Yankees had success with their research and development in how to use Joba Chamberlain? On paper, they insist what they're doing is right, but what about in practice? Has it worked? Would Chamberlain be better if they loosened up a bit, lost their paranoia and let him pitch? Did the Mets make a mistake in trading a player they didn't want in Ryan Church for Jeff Francoeur? All we heard at the time was how much of a "better" player Church is than Francoeur; but what did Church do for the Braves? Almost nothing. Francoeur, aggravating because of his lack of patience, is five years younger and is a thoroughbred who needs to be bridled. The Mets may not be able to tame him, but if they do, they'll have an MVP-quality talent who lit up the clubhouse with his personality, hustle and enthusiasm. It's not just about OBP. It's about building a team of people. It's about maximizing what a player can do and using him accordingly instead of dismissing and dumping him for what he can't do. The stats aren't the problem; the people who are elbowing their way into the game armed with no knowledge aside from numbers are. If you look at the comments on BBTF about whatever subject is broached, there's no discussion; no exchange of ideas; no debate----just lame attempts at abuse and it's not helping the cause for those who believe in statistics. The reasonable stat people know that there's more to building a team than just applying numbers----it's failed miserably when it's been attempted most notably with Paul DePodesta and the Dodgers and Sandy Alderson with the Padres. As long as the situation is "us against them" with no room for consensus, nothing's going to change and neither side will gain anything from such a war of attrition until one side is completely dead. Both schools of thought should agree that that won't help anyone or advance either side of the debate and until this condescension and arrogance ends such a consensus won't be reached.</b><br><br />Makes sense to me.Jeffhttp://redstatebluestate.mlblogs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1977384970015233286.post-48014086996663405632009-10-06T14:00:36.117-04:002009-10-06T14:00:36.117-04:00Nope, didn't answer the question. You consist...Nope, didn't answer the question. You consistenly harp on "stat zombies" without any illustration on why using statistics is bad. Your answer has you backpedalling like a cornerback. YOU are the one engaging in name-calling, YOU are the one trying to exclude people.<br /><br />I'm a BTF regular, if you read through the pages over there you'd often find spirited debate over various issues both stat-based and otherwise.<br /><br />When you resort to name calling (as you do on your blog) then you are the cause of the "implication that I'm some crusty, Bob Feller-style miserable old bastard who doesn't want to hear about anything that's happened after 1985."Joenoreply@blogger.com